Intel 45nm Multi-core
 

I am upgrading my mobo, cpu and ram....

I would like to know more about the availability, reliability and price of the new Intel 45nm Multi-core cpu's

I want to use this board...
ASUS P5E3 DELUXE/WIFI-AP X38 ATX DDR3 3PCI-E16 2-PCI-E1 2PCI SATA RAID 2XGBLAN Draft N Motherboard

I will use something like this for ram...
Patriot Viper Extreme Performance 4GB DDR3 2X2GB PC3-10666 DDR3-1333 CL 7-7-7-20 Memory Kit

Please understand, I am still on a learning curve when it comes to sorting through and matching components.
I just finished my latest computer last month...completely built! LOVED building it..works fabulous...now my daughter wants one. Well...ok....she can have the m2n-e, Athlon 3800 duo core 64 bit cpu and big ram ddr2(800) that I have...now daddy wants to go big.

Please advise on best possible choices for cpu. 64 bit required. Extremely curious about 45nm m.c., but that could be clouding my view.

Thanks for any help!!
I am...
smokin' smsab

okay...after a lot of schoolin'...this is what I have put together...for now.

ASUS P5E LGA775 X38 ATX DDR2 2PCI-E16 3PCI-E 2PCI SATA2 RAID Sound GBLAN RAID Motherboard ($234.35)

G.SKILL F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ PC2-8000 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-1000 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit ($149.99)

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Dual Core Processor LGA775 3.0GHZ Wolfdale 1333FSB 6MB ($244.99)

Coolermaster GeminII Copper Aluminum 6 Heatpipe Cooler 2X120MM LGA775 Socket AM2 S939 S940 S754


being a carpenter ;) ...what say techies?

What are you doing for a graphics card?

Nick

er...leftovers...


EVGA E-GEFORCE 7600GT PCI-E 256MB VGA DVI-I HDTV Out Video Card


using leftover sound card too...board comes with RAID card but will shelve it for now, I think

Razer Barracuda AC-1 7.1 Gaming Sound Card 24BIT 192KHZ DDL PRO-LOGIC S/PDIF IN/OUT PCI

And the purpose of this beast of a machine? If you slapped an 8800 GTx, you would have a sweet gaming machine! :D

Nick

lol....other than Jockstocks, poker, etc...I never have played a 'puter (or Sony playthingy or Q-box) "game"....yet!!!
I say yet because the kids at work talk about this "Call of Duty"? Sounds...interesting, but the 8800 gtx is...450 bucks!!! I'm noy saying it didn't cross my mind, but at some point, budget must rear it's ugly head and bring me back down to earth...I really don't want to shelve another one!
As mentioned above...It is an opportunity for me to up-grade what I had. I do have programs that require more speed yet (SolidWorks, a little audio/video editing, etc...). I am very impatient :)

I am unsure about synchronizing voltages/overclocking and front bus line speeds from board to cpu to RAM. Hell, I have no idea at this point and would like to see whassup on this system (soon to be daughter's as in top post).

Running Vista Home Premium....Bios?

The system will last you four to five years, with maybe [and I stress maybe] a gFx card upgrade.

Anyway, Call of Duty 4 is a freaking awesome game! Your system will handle it just fine.

Nick

you do some 3D designing....enough so that you need a professional program like Solid Works? That sucker takes a solid graphics setup on its own......it's what our designers use at work...I use it occasionally when I'm helpin' 'em out.

yes..I have SolidWorks. I do not have a professional use as yet, but I needed a drafting program last year and Auto-Cad had no 64 bit version at that time! Pricey...but unbelievably so much better. I absolutely love the click and drag functionability (no typing!!). Just finished Level II (night classes)...failed miserably...fell too far behind and still trying to catch up. Will take again in the fall...meanwhile I have been using the on-line tutorials to keep sharp and get help when I'm stuck drawing something.
This is a high end 3d/drawing program unmatched as yet...I think!

Sorry to ramble but almost a year gone by...and you are the first one I know of that is not a salesman, student or teacher to comment about it. Does the program you use have the extras? Cosmos, libraries, etc?

Because I'm NOT a true gamer and will not be overclocking...your estimate of five years sounds acceptable, thank you.
:cheers:


I could still use a clue as to look see what this system is running. ie;
synchronizing voltages/overclocking and front bus line speeds

Front Side Bus


From newegg.com ..

Nick

no idea if they'd have extras.....they design wooden swing sets which (as they hate hearing me joke about) are, when you break it down to its core, just sticks o' wood with holes in 'em. 'course, they also use it to design slides, hardware, and other accessories.........but as to extras..doubt they do unless the company really thought it was necessary. We've got like 8 licenses for it I think. They'd used AutoCad for years and changed in '06....had to be a reason. As far as ease of use, I guess for what I've used it for so far, I'd agree....but then the last CAD program I used was an almost-DOS autocad....lol

Sorry for delay, I have reconsidered things! I did not like the term 'monster'!:p

Have decided to go with 'baby'... server?

I want to pull trigger on this ... but would like some input, one way and/ or the other.

Prices seem reasonable (couple are very good) and I gave in when I found an 8800GTS 320mb for 225 bucks.

I still need a case and power supply (850w+). I have looked through 1000 or so and haven't seen what I'm looking for. I want PSU (modular)on bottom of case, I want a large window. I NEED a large case (see CPU cooler) 4-5.25" bays min/ 4-3.5" HDD bays min, I do NOT need liquid cooled :rotfl: , I want it ALL aluminum at least, and I want 'em both to fall in my budget :rolleyes: (<200 for PSU and <225 for a case {NOT WHITE/CREAM})

Any tips? :goofy:


...and thank you for any and all input!



G.SKILL F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ PC2-8000 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-1000 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit
In Stock 26456 $149.99 $149.99
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Dual Core Processor LGA775 3.0GHZ Wolfdale 1333FSB 6MB Retail *Limited Qty*
2-5 Business Days 27784 $244.99 $244.99
Coolermaster GeminII Copper Aluminum 6 Heatpipe Cooler 2X120MM LGA775 Socket AM2 S939 S940 S754
In Stock 23040 $40.64 $40.64
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM
In Stock 22438 $116.27 $116.27
Hitachi Deskstar P7K500 500GB SATA2 7200RPM 16MB 3.5IN Hard Drive OEM 3YR MFR Warranty
In Stock 27146 $115.86 $115.86
Arctic Cooling MX-2 Thermal Compound Paste NON-ELECTRICAL Conductive 4 Gram
In Stock 26895 $7.95 $7.95
ASUS P5K Premium WIFI-AP ATX LGA775 P35 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 3PCI SATA RAID Sound WLAN 1394 Motherboard
In Stock 25429 $215.00 $215.00
EVGA E-GEFORCE 8800GTS 500MHZ 320MB 1.6GHZ GDDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDTV HDCP DIRECTX10 Video Card
In Stock 22688 $225.83 $225.83
Noctua NF-S12-800 120MM Ultra Quiet Cooling Fan 800RPM 59M3/H 8DBA Molex
In Stock 21011 $19.50 $39.00

have upgraded again... I think....

XFX GeForce 8800GT XXX 512MB 670MHZ 1.95GHZ DDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDCP HDTV Out DIRECTX10 Video Card

In Stock 26991 $279.99 $279.99 +(40.00 rebate)

vs.

EVGA E-GEFORCE 8800GTS 500MHZ 320MB 1.6GHZ GDDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDTV HDCP DIRECTX10 Video Card
In Stock 22688 $225.83 $225.83


Opines?

I realize this is my third post in a row...but I have time to shop tonight and I need more info...from anyone!!!

I realized I have no disc drive yet! Again, I would like an opinion on the new Blu-Ray drives. I found this and again, it seems reasonably priced...comparitively.

Gonna buy a 'pewter dis wickend, unless strong words ( or arms, legs, chicks or any part of) blow my fingers from my mouse...as a really big wind might...=pretty damn good chance!

Pioneer BDC-2202 BLU-RAY Reader BD-ROM 5X DVD+-RW 12X6X12 DL 4X Internal SATA Black Retail *IR-$30*
In Stock 27118 $238.99 $238.99

I say do it!

I wouldn't do this. Just buy a DVD-RW Drive.

Nick

from what I know, Blue Ray is too far ahead of its time for most hardware out there.......i.e. your current DVD player (the one connected to your TV) probably can't even play a Blue Ray disc...and you only need a Blue Ray player if your TV is HD...so yeah, it might be nice to be that current, but it might also be frustrating for awhile.

thank you alll for your inputs...it's a done deal ...pulled trigger t'day.

Afew minor changes and some major:

26456 G.SKILL F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ PC2-8000 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-1000 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit 1 $149.99 $149.99
23040 Coolermaster GeminII Copper Aluminum 6 Heatpipe Cooler 2X120MM LGA775 Socket AM2 S939 S940 S754 1 $40.64 $40.64
21011 Noctua NF-S12-800 120MM Ultra Quiet Cooling Fan 800RPM 59M3/H 8DBA Molex 2 $19.50 $39.00
26991 XFX GeForce 8800GT XXX 512MB 670MHZ 1.95GHZ DDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDCP HDTV Out DIRECTX10 Video Card 1 $279.99 $279.99
1 x Dark Messiah of Might And Magic (PC)

26828 Rainbow Six Ravenshield (PC Game) 1 $0.00 $0.00
27144 Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 3.5IN 500GB SATA2 8.5MS 7200RPM 32MB Cache NCQ Hard Drive 1 $109.99 $109.99
25429 ASUS P5K Premium WIFI-AP ATX LGA775 P35 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 3PCI SATA RAID Sound WLAN 1394 Mo *IR-$16* 1 $199.05 $199.05
22438 Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM 1 $109.99 $109.99
25398 LG GSA-H55L DVD+RW 20X8X16 DVD-RW 20X6X16 DL 10X Lightscribe DVD Writer IDE 2MB Black OEM W/ SW 1 $32.99 $32.99
27702 LG G-H20L-S10 Black DVD+RW 20X8X16 DVD-RW 20X6X16 Lightscribe INT SATA DVD Writer OEM 1 $32.99 $32.99
26895 Arctic Cooling MX-2 Thermal Compound Paste NON-ELECTRICAL Conductive 4 Gram 1 $7.95 $7.95
27784 Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Dual Core Processor LGA775 3.0GHZ Wolfdale 1333FSB 6MB Retail *Limited Qty* 1 $218.88 $218.88
1 x Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter (PC Game) **Intel Promo Bundle Only**
1 x Lost Planet Extreme Condition DVD PC Game OEM ** Intel Promo Bundle Only **

Shipping & Handling: $48.24
Shipping Insurance: $18.32
SUBTOTAL: $1,288.02
No PST - Outside BC residents $0.00
GST(5%) $64.40
TOTAL: $1,352.42

PSU & case...

Thermaltake Mozart TX Cube Black Full Tower Case with Clear Sides, Front eSATA, USB, Firewire, and Audio Ports (T925-2241)
MPN: VE1000BWS 1 $268.99 $268.99

Ultra X2 750-Watt Power Supply - ATX, 120mm Fan, UV Sides, SLI Ready, SATA-Ready, 20/24-Pin, Modular (ULT40122)
MPN: ULT40122 1 $79.97 $79.97

Ultra ULT40123 MD3 Media Dashboard (ULT40123)
MPN: ULT40123 1 $60.99 $60.99


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Total for all Items:
$409.95
Shipping & Handling: $62.09
Sales Tax: $47.21
Discount:
Grand Total: $519.25

WAAAY over on case...but ya gotta check it out...nice!
PSU is an excellent price...modular and cool blue wrapped!

Thanks again for your inputs...will update when together.

happy to say 'da beast' runs very well! Vista Home Premium and all!
Been a year plus, now...upgrade time.

32994 Western Digital Velociraptor WD1500HLFS 150GB SATA 10000RPM 5.5MS 16MB Cache 3.5IN Hard Drive OEM 1 $255.26 $255.26

26456 G.SKILL F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ PC2-8000 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-1000 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit 1 $62.99 $62.99

37232 Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB SATA2 3.5IN 8.5MS 7200RPM 32MB Hard Drive OEM *3YR MFR Warranty* 1 $133.80 $133.80

21012 Noctua NF-S12-1200 120MM Ultra Quiet Cooling Fan 1200RPM 81M3/H 17DBA Molex 2 $23.82 $47.64


I am doubling my RAM to the max...8GB
What I want to do, is use the 150GB SATA 10000RPM drive exclusively for my operating system(s)...Partition in half and use Vista Home Premium and Linux. Is this a good idea?

I needed the storage...so I think this solves my plans for the future too...as well as speed things up.

beasts diary: Putting this here helps me date things.

P5K Premium died last week. :(
I think i shorted out the board while changing monitors back and forth.

so, I upgraded a bit. I think.

New MoBo/CPU and RAM.

ASUS Sabertooth X58 LGA1366 DDR3 CrossFireX SLI 3PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 PCI USB 3.0 Motherboard
Intel Core i7 960 Quad Core Processor LGA1366 3.2GHZ Bloomfield 8MB LGA1366 4.8GT/S
Patriot Viper Xtreme 8GB 2X4GB DDR3 1866MHZ PC3-15000 9-11-9-27 1.65V XMP Ready Desktop Memory Kit

Five year warranty on board :cool:

Performance is now 5.9 on all categories

lesson learned: Static....bad

On a related topic...
no sooner was i done when Microsoft informed me I have three days to replace my license key. :mad:
Apparently each copy of Windows is allowed a number of rebuilds and then...that's it!!?
I run Vista.
I found a way to keep windows active for another 120 days without buying anything....but then what?
How would I go about changing operating system (to win7) and NOT losing info on that hard drive? (ie: registered programs such as SolidWorks or Simply Accounting)

You can't. One of the dumb things from Vista to 7 was it was a complete re-install.

The best you can do is backup your files [My Documents, My Pictures, etc] and then install 7. You'll still have to re-install software, but you won't lose your personal stuff.

But, I haven't look in a while. Somebody may have created an update tool to assist with -- may want to do a quick Google search before you take my advice :p

Nick

Thank You, Sir!!

Kinda settles things in my mind....best plan I think may be to go buy Vista again and just renew the product key.

There is ...what they call, an upgrade version for many shekels less than the full version. This would be all i need, would it not?
Running Home Premium now and would 'Upgrade'(?) to Business if I can do so without C-drive interruptus.

It's 60 bucks more for the encryption thingy you get with vista ultimate.....any comment?

Yeah, might as well 'upgrade' if it will allow you. Not sure what the stipulations are for a 'bad' key ...

I'd ask the guy at the store before you purchase it.

Nick

thanks again.
i took your advice and read some....
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932795
Full Version.........$399.99
Upgrade Version...$259.99

This seems to be option A at the moment. (staples)
It says I can Back up the data by using the "Backup and Restore" feature in Windows Vista. ??
still open for other options, but this right now is actually the more economical if it does what i understand it to do :goofy:

I have a good copy for a few hours yet, you think I may have changed things when I ran <slmgr\rearm>....?
My product key is valid for an upgrade even if it is expired....NO???

It should be. However, if for some reason Microsoft has 'invalidated' your key, then I don't believe you can use an upgrade key. Nevertheless, if you are sure it is merely because it's been installed/re-installed, then the upgrade version should be good!

Also, it shouldn't be an issue using Backup and Restore as long as you burn a copy of the backup to a disk before you upgrade :p. It is my guess, though, that you shouldn't even need to use it. If it is merely an upgrade within Vista and therefore shouldn't overwrite any of your files :).

Nick

:nuts:

Desktop operating systems /Latest service pack /End of mainstream support /End of extended support

Windows XP
Service Pack 3
April 14, 2009
April 8, 2014

Windows Vista
Service Pack 2
April 10, 2012
April 11, 2017

Windows 7 has been thrust upon me at this point.
I took the time to try and understand the difference between an 'OEM' copy and a 'Retail' copy.
the price difference is substantial...yet is the same program.


I found this comment...
I would like to think that this is my last computer....but that would be border line incompetency.
My options are narrowing down, but I quite sure Win 7 is in my very near future

I really, really like Win7 -- so don't fret re: that.

As for OEM vs. Retail. Another difference is that Windows will NOT offer you any form of free phone support. Typically you get an OEM copy when you purchase a pre-fab computer.

Nick

I didn't like Vista so I didn't install Vista on any of my machines, but I do like W7 and have installed it on at least 5 different machines with all with different hardware configs - both laptops and desktops - and so far I haven't had any problems with any of them. Adding devices, installing software have also been mostly headache free...

I took tomorrow off....
doing a full install of win7 ultimate.
Only two places in town with 'retail' version....everywhere else I tried had/has that %^*~!&^!! 'oem' version.
On line price is same as in town prices for retail version.
OEM versions are on sale everywhere....as low as a hundred bucks.

I have talked with several other people who echo the sentiments of both of you guys (thank you)....which would be that Win7 is great!
fingers are crossed that all goes smoothly.

it's tomorrow! :D
As I read the install booklet that came with the disc....I came upon this.

*Click upgrade if you are running Windows Vista to keep your files, programs, and settings and install windows 7


??.............AWESOME!!!

I still seem to be able to function even though my 'windows activation' has twenty days remaining yet (u tube trick)...
I hope this works.

Me, too. Keep us posted!

Nick

about four hours from start to finish.
I am shocked...and really, really happy!!

click, click, click.....and all programs and settings still be here. (whew)

Incredibly dumb proof.
love it.
Special thanks to Bill the Cat for holding my hand through it all, lol.

When doing a fresh install - format and then a clean install of W7, I've had a computer ready to go in under an hour....

If you haven't used W7 much, I think you will like it better than Vista... it seems so much snappier than Vista, imo.

three hours later and liking it more and more...yup!
I think it took so long because of a slow start, first of all.
problems from board. (long story...blah blah blah, fixed and moved on).
A lot of the time installing was spent 'searching for previous programs and settings'. That was a biggie in more ways than one.
Then there were some 109 windows updates included in that time as well.

I did not have to reload one single program yet...i believe it even updated a few i been ignoring.
Windows 7....what took them so long? This is really nice.

I'm glad it went so well!!

Nick

has been running flawlessly....but is something wrong I wasn't aware of until recently.

Tri channel architecture!!

That PatVip Xtreme RAM is just wrong.

Although it IS compatible...it is not on the QVL (Qualified Vendors List) that accommodates the board. (Doh)

I7 has tri channel architecture that many boards do not possess...Sabertooth x58 does. HOWEVER...1066 is the default setting for single and dual channel ram...I7 cannot achieve higher unless triple channel architecture is used. THEN can be overclocked.
I not looking to OC...but I want to be able to use the stuff I have to the best of it's ability. Triple channel is therefore necessary.

four years ago...this RAM cost 1200.00/set (12G).

today it's 72 bucks!
I bought two.

**does anyone have a need (or use) for the PatVip Xtreme mentioned? (liquid fast and difficult to OC apparently...speeds are so fast though that overclock won't be necessary.)
I'm sure it will fit in the mail.

:thumbs:

that's more like it :D

I'm built!

now I would like to set up a RAID.

not sure...read a lot...still a bit confused.

velociraptor is the main drive....but have FOUR other 1T Seagate barracuda.

ONE of them is 6G transfer speed...the rest are 3. All SATA.

Can I do this? or do they all have to be equal across the board?...anyone?

NOPE.

Don't figure I can set up a RAID anymore. Says I lose all data. (short of copying everything to external...ugh...new ssd main and reload OS and rest of crap programs i can't seem to do without)


main drive too small as well, I think.
Everything I've read indicates the RAID recognizes the smallest drive as being the size for whatever # drives.

...still like the idea....If a drive fails, you install new one and others rebuild the info.

undecided

PSU cashed on Feb. 15, 2013

Five years and a day exactly from time of purchase. Five year warranty.:mad:
This the new one:
$106.96