A thanks to all who have made suggestions..I'm investigating all of them. Chet, I've run into spiral frog and it will NOT let me register. I've tried 4 times and every single time it tells me "the page you've requested could not be found Of course you cannot send a help e-mail unless you're registered.....bleah to spiralfrog..
and an apology to any I've pissed off with an off topic thread that probably started the other madness and plethora of off topic shiznit.
I'll not do this again..........