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I really should have added the prediction that McCain's VP choice would be so closely tied to the big oil to make sure he secures their support and money but I didn't think he was that big of a wh0re but all candidates are when they run for president. But I'm sure someone has a valid reason why McCain would choose a vice president candidate that is married to a BP employee and that there would be absolutely no conflict of interest there...and I'm sure the oil companies would surely not want someone sitting in that office that has close ties to oil (again) for they would surely not have any political gain there... I mean there wasn't an American oil company in Iraq for over 40 years and now the four largest American oil companies somehow got the rights to drill in the richest oil fields in Iraq earlier this year during a non-competitive bidding process...so there would be no reason why the oil companies would want the American military to remain in Iraq to protect their interests... buying a president is cheaper then arming an army... American politics have become so ridiculously transparent.... |
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Nice of President Clinton to play along with the conspiracy back then Didn't seem to help Algore. Well, maybe with the Pulitzer, Grammy, and Oscar folks. Quote:
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Care to preview the Top 10 for when (not if) the Dems lose this time? They are 3 for the last 11 presidential elections. Surely there must be something better than the price of oil.
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i can't take credit for SayOw's prophecy (although i can't say he's wrong etiher)
what i can do is address the two parts of the quote that were mine. first in 1973, carter wasn't president i'll leave it at that. second, i won't presume to make any predictions about the outcome of the election. while i really don't see the right holding on to the executive, the politics of fear and hate have won out before (whether it be commies, gays, invocations of 9-11 in irrelevant and unrealistic contexts, fabricated threats with no basis in reality, etc) so i'm not about to count those proverbial chickens just yet.
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Hours before Reagan was sworn in. 4 years of Carter, and the situation got worse- not better. To quote democrats.senate.gov: "Under President Nixon Gas Prices Increased by 18 Cents per Gallon. When President Nixon took office in 1969, the yearly average price of regular leaded gasoline was 35 cents per gallon. When he left office in 1974, the yearly average price of regular leaded gas had climbed by 18 cents to 53 cents per gallon. [EIA Yearly Historical Data] Under President Ford Gas Prices Increased by 9 Cents per Gallon. When President Ford took office in 1974, the yearly average price of regular leaded gasoline was 53 cents per gallon. When he left office in 1977, the yearly average price of regular leaded gas had climbed by 9 cents to 62 cents per gallon. [EIA Yearly Historical Data] When President Carter took office in 1977, the yearly average price of regular unleaded gasoline was 66 cents per gallon. In 1981, when he left office the yearly average price had increased by 72 cents to $1.38 per gallon.[EIA Yearly Historical Data]" Of course, the article I used was written to make Bush look bad. But, $2 a gallon gas was a regular event long before Clinton was out of office. We'd be paying at least $4.40 if W. was as "bad" as Carter. But then again, I chose nutjobs as a source.
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of course again the reasons are different. the crisis of the 70's was due to a refusal by OPEC to distribute. the crisis now is due to unchecked, runway, and borderline shady at best business dealings.
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and for the record while i don't think carter was the worst president ever, i wouldn't exactly place him near the elite myself.
i've mentioned it before, i'm not actually a registered democrat and i don't really have any true loyalties to any one party it's just these days there's no viable option to the democratic party that is reasonably appealing.
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Compared to Europe, I'd take our prices any day (either way). Judging from the ratio of gas guzzlers compared to economy cars on the highways, so would the rest of America. Still.
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that's just flat not fair. you're really paying 3.23? want to ship some down my way we're still at 3.59 here and i thought that was great
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Actually, I am registered Independent myself. In a Democratic city, in a Republican state (Rendell notwithstanding), we get some interesting political waves to surf.
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Sprint Navigator is a BEAUTIFUL thing. "Find Gas by Price" rocks. But it isn't that difficult. I can think of at least 3 different places on Rt. 73 with cheap fuel.
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well shoot i'm heading up that way in october and then again in november think i'm bringing all my red cans with me.....
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What will happen to the gas prices when Obama is president?
Just wondering.
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But big oil is going to do their best to get McCain in...and I think now that Palin is on the ticket, they will make even a bigger attempt to do so... heck, gas could go down to $2.50 a gallon if McCain really falls in the polls, but could hit that level by election day just for that last little push over the top... then starting Nov. 5 gas prices will begin to rise again... |
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It is kind of strange to me but it actually it makes perfect sense what SayOw is saying if a person really thinks about it.
Oil is the one industry that makes our country run. And as I keep trying to say there is almost no other industry in the economy that either directly or indirectly is so connected to oil in some ways we don't even really understand to be quite frank. Eventually what I just said may not be the case but right now it very much is true. Oil is so big to me that it actually could influence the outcome of any election and not just this one. We only have to look at the last two presidential elections. Gore and Kerry both said they were not big fans of oil and they both lost. There are many reasons why both of them lost but to say oil does not have at least some influence is to be a little naive when I really think about it. McCain has come out and said he thinks that oil is very important to him. Well he did not really come out and say that but I do get the impression from hearing McCain speak about this it is the case for McCain. Obama has said I think that limited drilling could be used in the short term but it is not a long term solution to our oil dependence problem. So I am not going to even argue the point that SayOw is trying to make that the oil industry is trying to influence who the next president is. There is another factor. Obama has come out and said I think that he wants to tax the "windfall" profits of big oil. And it makes perfect sense to me that the price of barrel of oil will go back up again after the election is over because no matter who the next president is the oil industry will be go right back to making the profits that they always have and always will until we stop them from doing so. But this is rather difficult to do. As I mentioned very recently if there was no car on the road that used gas as an energy source we would still use about five million barrels of oil per day. Just stop and think about what I just said.
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