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I am doing o.k.

The Mrs. Bill Clinton machine was less than twenty miles from where I live.

Here itinerary must have been land, talk for a few minutes, take the gargantuan bag of money, leave.

Now to be fair that is the itinerary of most politicians running for president.

Now this is one of the things she said while she was here, "I want people to judge me for who I really am not who they've heard I am."

Now let's see the people of South Carolina decided they liked Barack more than her but I guess that should not deter her.

I guess it will take some time but over time she will be getting the message that people may not like her as much as she thinks.

There is one other little fascinating thing from her visit. She said she recognizes the political importance of Missouri.

Now let's see since the 1904 election there have been 26 presidential elections. Missouri has picked the presidential candidate that has won 25 of 26 times. Missouri screwed up Eisenhower in one of his two wins. Other than that Missouri has picked all of the winners in the presidential race since 1904.

A newspaper story from Mrs. Bill Clinton's visit

And no no one offered me an I survived the Mrs. Bill Clinton machine t-shirt.

I feel kind of slighted.

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Why did it take Mrs. Clinton's handlers two days to distance her from that socialist women that lost the election in France on Sunday?

So let's just say for the sake of discussion Mrs. Clinton does win next year and the democrats keep all of the their seats in the senate and the republicans lose 9 out of 21 seats in the senate what would Mrs. Clinton want to do then? Something tells me that will not be a part of her campaign.


Comparison To Clinton Is Dismissed
French Counterpart Lacked Substance, Senator's Camp Says

By Anne E. Kornblut and Perry Bacon Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, May 8, 2007; A06

There was a time when advisers to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) looked abroad for proof that women can get elected to a top leadership role in the modern world: Margaret Thatcher, the former British prime minister; Angela Merkel, the German chancellor; and Michelle Bachelet, the president of Chile.

But as presidential candidate Ségolène Royal was defeated by a conservative man who had been France's chief law enforcement officer, the Clinton campaign was quick to dismiss comparisons between their candidate and her Socialist counterpart across the Atlantic. "Other than the fact that they are both women, they don't have much in common," said Howard Wolfson, Clinton's communications director.

Unlike Royal, who emphasized her charm and femininity rather than her strength on foreign policy, Clinton has proven her national security bona fides, her advisers said. They argued that unlike Royal, Clinton does best among her own gender. An Ipsos exit poll on Sunday found that Royal lost the women's vote by 4 percentage points, while 2008 polling in the United States has shown a gender gap in which Clinton performs stronger among women, particularly those younger than 60.

Clinton advisers said that, if anything, Royal proved that a woman must run with a focus on her credentials. Clinton allies saw the race as evidence that the New York senator is running the right kind of campaign, a substantive one -- even if it means she is sometimes accused of lacking charisma.

"Hillary Clinton offers a very different kind of choice than the French faced," said Mark Penn, Clinton's chief strategist. "Hillary Clinton is well regarded as strong, smart and a leader. Her experience says she is ready to see the country through changes with a steady, substantive and sure hand."

Marie Wilson, who runs a nonpartisan group called the White House Project that has long promoted the idea of a female president, said that unlike Clinton, Royal "was not someone who was deeply engaged in issues."

"That's not something you can say about Hillary Clinton," Wilson said. "If you're running as the first woman, you're going to have to know your stuff."

Still, the Royal campaign seemed likely to provide fodder, if not exact parallels, for analysts wondering about the role that identity politics will play in the 2008 campaign in the United States, when a woman and an African American are battling each other at the top of the Democratic field.

Some Republicans saw the Royal defeat as an unexpected ray of hope after the victory of Nicolas Sarkozy, who ran a Rudolph W. Giuliani-style campaign of zero tolerance for criminal or civil strife. At the same time, the Sarkozy election gave a boost to the Bush administration, which has never had an ally in power in Paris.

Tom Ingram, who was an adviser to Fred D. Thompson's 1994 Senate campaign and has talked to him about a potential 2008 presidential run, said that he thought the Royal race might be good for Republicans, but not because of gender or any similarity Royal had to Clinton.

"It looked to me like more a change-versus-status-quo campaign, and I think that's interesting, since the change candidate was of the same party as the outgoing president, which is a little odd," Ingram said. "Maybe that's good news for Republicans."

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With around 10 stories a day written about Mrs. Clinton we have not had an update in a week?



Boy we must be slipping.

Hillary needs your advice about what her campaign song should be.

Could I possibly make this up?

There is a video on Youtube where Hillary asks what her campaign song should be.

And she does ask for suggestions also.

I have several suggestions for Hillary.

Blowing in the Wind
Where have all the flowers gone
I Feel Like
Give Peace a Chance
People Got to be Free

So do you have any suggestions for Hillary?

My choice of songs do have a common thread in them.

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You may be wondering what the songs are on Hillary's actual Website are.

Well here you go.

"City of Blinding Lights" U2
"Suddenly I see" KT Tunstall
"I'm a believer" Smash Mouth
"Get Ready" The Temptations
"Ready to Run" Dixie Chicks Why the Dixie Chicks Hillary? Maybe they will sing the song at her inauguration?
"Rock This Country" Shania Twain
"Beautiful Day" U2
"Right Here, Right Now" Jesus Jones
"I'll Take You There" The Staple Singers

Just in case you don't believe me

She can't even decide her own campaign song?



Btw, On her video she promises to only sing the song if she wins.

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Thank You New York Times!

So sorry for getting excited but I don't get to thank the Times very often.

This just in from about eight years ago in the book He-- To Pay about Mrs. Clinton that she may have actually had a small part of the Wal Mart way of life at one time in her past.

Now I am wondering if this is part of the reason we have not heard Wal Mart is evil lately?

Isn't Bob Woodward from the Watergate days coming out with a book about Hillary soon? Hopefully Mr. Woodward will not has such salacious details about Mrs. Clinton's past life as a willing but very limited participant in the way Wal Mart does business.

I have got to wonder what else we are going to be finding out about Mrs. Clinton in the next 19 months?

I sure do hope we do not find out that Mrs. Clinton did indeed vote for the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002.

I find one other thing interesting about this story. They call Hillary Mrs. Clinton. I think it would be wise for the Times to start calling her Mrs. Bill Clinton. She may get a few more votes that way.

I would not want you to miss the title that Mrs. Clinton had while she was at Wal Mart.

We are getting back on track now two Mrs. Clinton stories in three days.
This is after a whole week of inactivity in this thread.



May 20, 2007
As a Director, Clinton Moved Wal-Mart Board, but Only to a Point
By MICHAEL BARBARO

In 1986, Sam Walton, the founder of Wal-Mart, had a problem. He was under growing pressure from shareholders — and his wife, Helen — to appoint a woman to the company’s 15-member board of directors.

So Mr. Walton turned to a young lawyer who just happened to be married to the governor of Arkansas, where Wal-Mart is based: Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Mrs. Clinton’s six-year tenure as a director of Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest company, remains a little known chapter in her closely scrutinized career. And it is little known for a reason. Mrs. Clinton rarely, if ever, discusses it, leaving her board membership out of her speeches and off her campaign Web site.

Fellow board members and company executives, who have not spoken publicly about her role at Wal-Mart, say Mrs. Clinton used her position to champion personal causes, like the need for more women in management and a comprehensive environmental program, despite being Wal-Mart’s only female director, the youngest and arguably the least experienced in business. On other topics, like Wal-Mart’s vehement anti-unionism, for example, she was largely silent, they said.

Her years on the Wal-Mart board, from 1986 to 1992, gave her an unusual tutorial in the ways of American business — a credential that could serve as an antidote to Republican efforts to portray her as an enemy of free markets and an advocate for big government.

But that education came via a company that the Democratic Party — and its major ally, organized labor — has held up as a model of what is wrong with American business, with both groups accusing it of offering unaffordable health insurance and mistreating its workers.

So rather than promote her board membership, Mrs. Clinton is now running from it, even returning a $5,000 campaign donation from the giant discount chain in 2005, citing “serious differences” with its practices. But disentangling herself from the company is harder than it may seem.

Despite her criticism, Mrs. Clinton maintains close ties to Wal-Mart executives through the Democratic Party and the tightly knit Arkansas business community. Her husband, former President Bill Clinton, speaks frequently to Wal-Mart’s current chief executive, H. Lee Scott Jr., about issues like health care and even played host to Mr. Scott at the Clintons’ home in New York last July for a private dinner.

And several months ago, Mrs. Clinton helped broker a secret meeting between a top Wal-Mart executive and former Democratic operative, Leslie Dach, and leaders of the retailer’s longtime adversary at the United Food and Commercial Workers union, according to several people briefed on the matter, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to do so publicly.

The goal of the meeting was to tamp down the rancor between the company and the union, which has set up a group, WakeUpWalMart.com, that has harshly criticized the chain and leaked embarrassing internal documents to the news media, though an accord has not yet been reached.

Mrs. Clinton declined to be interviewed for this article. In a statement, her spokesman said, “Wal-Mart is now one of the country’s largest employers, and Mrs. Clinton still believes it is important to try to influence the decisions they make because they can affect so many people.”

In Mrs. Clinton’s complex relationship with Wal-Mart, there are echoes of the familiar themes that have defined much of her career: the trailblazing woman unafraid of challenging the men around her; the idealist pushing for complicated, at times expensive, reforms; and the political pragmatist, willing to accept policies she did not agree with to achieve her ends.

“Did Hillary like all of Wal-Mart practices? No,” said Garry Mauro, a longtime friend and supporter of the Clintons who sat on the Wal-Mart Environmental Advisory Board with Mrs. Clinton in the late 1980s and worked with her on George McGovern’s 1972 presidential campaign.

“But,” Mr. Mauro added, “was Wal-Mart a better company, with better practices, because Hillary was on the board? Yes.”

Mrs. Clinton was not Mr. Walton’s first choice for a woman on the board. That honor belonged to an executive at Nordstrom, the upscale department store. But Nordstrom opposed its employees sitting on a competitor’s board, so Wal-Mart turned instead to the 39-year-old Mrs. Clinton. They offered her about $15,000 a year for her time, generally four meetings a year.

She was a logical candidate: the wife of the governor, a Wal-Mart shareholder — with stock eventually worth nearly $100,000 — and a highly regarded lawyer at the Rose Law Firm, which had represented Wal-Mart in several cases.

But if her circumstances made her a natural choice for the board, her often liberal beliefs did not and she struggled to change the rigid, conservative culture at Wal-Mart, achieving modest results.

Early in her tenure, she pressed for information about the number of women in Wal-Mart’s management, worrying aloud that the company’s hiring practices might be discriminatory.

The data she received would have been troubling: by 1985, there was not a single woman among the company’s top 42 officers, according to “In Sam We Trust,” the 1998 book about Wal-Mart by Bob Ortega.

John E. Tate, who served as a director with Mrs. Clinton from 1988 to 1992, recalled that by her third board meeting Mrs. Clinton had announced “that you can expect me to push on issues for women. You know that. I have a reputation of trying to improve the status of women generally, and I will do it here.”

Mr. Walton appeared relieved to have a woman on the board to deflect criticism, telling shareholders during the annual meeting in 1987 that the company had a “strong-willed young lady on the board now who has already told the board it should do more to ensure the advancement of women.”

Still, the board’s discussions did not translate into significant progress. By the late 1990s, after Mrs. Clinton had left the board, Wal-Mart had added a second female director, but the number of women in senior management remained paltry, according to company records. (Today, 23 percent of Wal-Mart’s top 300 corporate officers are women, but the company is fighting a class-action lawsuit claiming sex discrimination filed on behalf of 1.6 million current and former female employees.)

Mrs. Clinton had greater success on environmental issues. At her request, Mr. Walton set up the environmental advisory group, which sent a series of recommendations to the company’s board.

When it came time to pick members, Mrs. Clinton, who led the advisory group, reached out to at least two colleagues from the McGovern presidential campaign — Mr. Mauro and Roy Spence, who headed an advertising firm in Texas that did extensive work for Wal-Mart.

Under her watch, the advisory group drew up elaborate plans. Consumers would bring in used motor oil and batteries for recycling. Suppliers would reduce the size of their packaging. And Wal-Mart would build stores with energy-saving features.

Wal-Mart executives put much of the program into place. In 1993, for example, they opened an experimental “eco-store” in Kansas, with skylights and wooden beams from forests that had not been clear cut.

One executive derided it as “Hillary’s store” because it was more expensive to build than the average Wal-Mart, but several of its features, like the skylights that cut energy bills by reducing the need for artificial lighting, were widely copied across the industry.

“We were on the leading edge of something that is being mandated now,” said Bill Fields, the head of merchandise at Wal-Mart in the early 1990s who worked closely with Mrs. Clinton on the environmental project.

For Wal-Mart, the largest employer in Arkansas, Mrs. Clinton’s presence had obvious advantages: on matters big and small, the company had the ear of the governor’s wife.

For Mrs. Clinton, being a director at Wal-Mart gave her access to several of the state’s most powerful business executives. In the early 1980s, for example, Mr. Walton was instrumental in building support for a corporate tax program, pushed by Mrs. Clinton, that financed a major education overhaul in Arkansas, a signal achievement of her husband’s governorship.

Though she was passionate about issues like gender and sustainability, Mrs. Clinton largely sat on the sidelines when it came to Wal-Mart and unions, board members said. Since its founding in 1962, Wal-Mart has fought unionization efforts at its stores and warehouses, employing hard-nosed tactics — like allegedly firing union supporters and spying on employees — that have become the subject of legal complaints against the company.

A special team at Wal-Mart handled those activities, but Mr. Walton was vocal in his opposition to unions. Indeed, he appointed the lawyer who oversaw the company’s union monitoring, Mr. Tate, to the board, where he served with Mrs. Clinton.

During their meetings and private conversations, Mrs. Clinton never voiced objections to Wal-Mart’s stance on unions, said Mr. Tate and John A. Cooper, another board member.

“She was not an outspoken person on labor, because I think she was smart enough to know that if she favored labor, she was the only one,” Mr. Tate said. “It would only lessen her own position on the board if she took that position.”

Mr. Tate, a prominent management lawyer who has helped stop union drives at many major companies, said he worked closely with Mr. Walton to convince workers that a union would be bad for the company, personally telling employees when he visited stores that “the only people who need unions are those who do not work hard.”

A spokesman for Mrs. Clinton said, “Wal-Mart workers should be able to unionize and bargain collectively.”

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Hillary's face has dramatically changed recently.



Someone needs to remind Mrs. Clinton that it really helped Senator Kerry to try to change his image also.

Hopefully Hillary can overcome her vote on October 11, 2002 which was the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 a whole lot better than Senator Kerry did.

Another Story about Hillary

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Originally Posted by coolpeter72

Someone needs to remind Mrs. Clinton that it really helped Senator Kerry to try to change his image also.

I thought Romney was the candidate in this election who is the Mass. politician trying to change his image

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Hopefully Hillary can overcome her vote on October 11, 2002 which was the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 a whole lot better than Senator Kerry did.
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not that i'd defend hillary but what's to overcome? she was duped and lied to like the rest of us. and did what she thought was best based on the many lies she was told by those she thought she should be able to trust.

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That is some really cool makeup Mrs. Clinton is using because I saw her the other day on the campaign trail and she looked like the picture on the left in post 21 of this thread.

btw Did anyone see Mrs. Clinton talk about her faith the other day on CNN?

CNN was asking Mrs. Clinton., Barrack, and former Senator Edwards their views on religion.

Here is Mrs. Clinton talking about her faith.

"In a rare public discussion of her husband's infidelity, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday that she probably could not have gotten through her marital troubles without relying on her faith in God.

Clinton stood by her actions in the aftermath of former President Clinton's admission that he had an affair, including presumably her decision to stay in the marriage.

"I am very grateful that I had a grounding in faith that gave me the courage and the strength to do what I thought was right, regardless of what the world thought," Clinton said during a forum where the three leading Democratic presidential candidates talked about faith and values.

"I'm not sure I would have gotten through it without my faith," she said in response to a question about how she dealt with the infidelity.

The forum, sponsored by the liberal Sojourners/Call to Renewal evangelical organization, provided an uncommon glimpse into the most personal beliefs of Clinton and rivals John Edwards and Barack Obama. The three candidates were invited by Sojourners founder Jim Wallis; most of the other Democratic candidates appeared on CNN later Monday to discuss their faith.

The most intimate question came about the Clintons' relationship, one of the world's most debated marriages but one that the husband and wife rarely speak openly about.

Clinton said she's "been tested in ways that are both publicly known and those that are not so well known or not known at all." She said it's those times when her personal faith and the prayers of others sustain her.

"At those moments in time when you are tested, it is absolutely essential that you be grounded in your faith," she said."

CNN article

Doesn't Mrs. Clinton know there is clear separation of Church and State in the first amendment of the constitution?

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Does Mrs. Clinton bring back memories for other people as well? And not all of these memories are pleasant.

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Doesn't Mrs. Clinton know there is clear separation of Church and State in the first amendment of the constitution?

I really can't see how her comments have anything to do with your question above Peter. Her saying she's "grounded in her faith and that's how she got through it all" is a, presumably, honest personal answer on a tough subject.....that's how I took it.

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Ok now I have something to actually criticize her about other than...well being her. And cp, you're losing your touch

Link

The scene: A diner and a jukebox. A nostalgic song. A cut to black. It worked as a finale for "The Sopranos." It now marks a new beginning for "The Clintons."

Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign on Tuesday unveiled its new campaign song with a Web video that spoofs the final scene of the popular HBO mobster series.

The video and the announcement of Celine Dion's "You and I" as the official Clinton tune cap a monthlong, interactive Internet campaign that drew more than a million viewers to the Clinton campaign Web site and to YouTube, the popular online video display room.

The selection of Dion, who was born in Canada, resulted in some smirking accusations from Republicans that Clinton had "outsourced" her music. In fact, Dion's "You and I" has done a turn as a theme song already - for Air Canada in 2004.

But the song campaign and the video also illustrates the growing effort by some of the more technologically savvy campaigns to connect with voters and potential donors in clever, relatively inexpensive formats that are infused with pop culture references, contemporary themes or intimate moments. - Associated Press

Celine Dion???? Way to lose the vote of every single heterosexual male that might have voted for you.

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I am not going to miss the opportunity to talk about Mrs. Clinton being booed by people that must have no idea the difficulties the democrats are having with regards to the will of the people. Isn't it rather obvious that the people are behind the democrats ideas. The election last year proved that.

So Mrs. Clinton goes to a conference and says the totally opposite thing this year when compared to what she said last year at the same conference. Both times Mrs. Clinton gets some boo birds.

This is about the war in Iraq. Mrs. Clinton is now saying that she would end the war in Iraq on her first day in office. But as we all know the war in Iraq is not going to be ending anytime soon. I guess some in the crowd want the war to end now and that is not soon enough. That is why some in the crowd were booing Mrs. Clinton. Apparently Mrs. Clinton's message last year was the total opposite of her message this year.

I know this is a very perplexing question but what are the real reasons the democrats think we should be getting out of Iraq in the first place?

Ending the war in Iraq would free up a lot of money that could be spent on other things.

It was Senator Kerry that mentioned just in the last few days that one week's worth of war in Iraq we could convert every pump in the nation to 85% ethanol.

That sure does sound nice but it is somewhat impractical as of this moment. How fast could Detroit produce that many new cars that take that kind of fuel? I have seen one car that takes that kind of gas. Then there is the little problem of how are we going to be able to produce the amounts of crops necessary to be able to sustain every car using ethanol in the U.S.?

I know that the purpose of Senator Kerry's comment was to get people to realize how much the war in Iraq is costing but his example was not the most well thought out plan. And I am sure the democrats have other plans for the money that is being used for Iraq already.

I must warn people that if they click on the links in the story they will most likely be going to the Nation magazine Website. The Nation tends to be just a little left of center when it comes to politics.

A story about Mrs. Clinton getting booed.

The Nation and Mrs. Clinton do something that is very important to me though. They both remind me why I tend to vote republican. Now I do vote for democrats on very rare occasions. Here in Missouri we have a very good A.G. which came up with the idea of the no call list. The A.G. will be looking at being the governor next time around so I may not be voting for any democrats anytime soon.

The people that wrote this headline at the Washington Post should get a raise for this headline. Liberal Activists Boo [Mrs.] Clinton.

The Washington Post story.

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There is one thing that I noticed about my previous article. Mrs. Clinton is saying she wants to end the war on her first day in office and not now. I have a question about this. Does Mrs. Clinton want the sole credit for ending the war in Iraq? I wonder if their are other democrats that also want to take credit for ending the war in Iraq also?

Maybe her wanting to take credit for ending the war is why she does not want to end the war now. And as I stated previously that is why she got the boos in the first place.

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FWIW she got booed cause the audience was smart enough to know that all the fault of whats going on isnt on that of the Iraqi government.

Of course thats not the way Fox News reported it.

As for her Iraq stance, shes said at some point (I didnt find it when I did a quick search for it to make sure it was exactly what she said) that shes not opposed to having an occupying force there for the whole time, which to me sounded so much like a triangulating answer that I have little faith in her to figure it out any better than Bush has.

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I am not going to miss an opportunity to discuss a story from the U.K. about one of Mrs. Clinton's fellow senators admitting in his book that he used to hate the Clintons.

I wonder if anyone in the U.S. has seen this story?

Senator Brownback of Kansas said in his book that he used to despise the Clintons. Don't worry though Senator Brownback apologized for what he wrote in his book just the other day to Mrs. Clinton.

Are there any reasons why democrats should dislike the Clintons as well as Senator Brownback has in the past?