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Unread 25 Nov 2017, 04:00 PM
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Hey guys.. as I look to start getting into comps, just wanted to know which way I gotta play it.

I've noticed that some are buying/selling 200K day traders at 10K at a time. This manipulates the price in favour of the shady.

My opinion is that it's wrong, but if it don't stop, then I'll have no choice but to pretend I'm in Rome.

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Unread 25 Nov 2017, 04:23 PM
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not sure why that would be.....always sold all at once. I seem to remember Orren saying he has it so there'd be no subterfuge.

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Unread 25 Nov 2017, 05:01 PM
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So have I, Rich, but I guarantee its happening... I've been following the sales... just can't follow who..

But more to the point, will it keep happening? That's all I wanna know

[For example, there were two goalies this morning, that were sold 10K at a time by FOUR ports]

Reason: miscalculated :)
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Unread 25 Nov 2017, 05:24 PM
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Geesh!!!! Troy's not back is he?
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Unread 25 Nov 2017, 11:32 PM
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Selling over 10k shares has the same 'anti-moo' as a 10k sell.
How exactly would we set it up to do the same for multiple 10k buys?
...without eliminating a choice- buy max or don't buy at all.

But, with commission on each buy, is there an actual gain? Price and commission would increase each time.

nm....realized what you're saying after I posted this......well, if someone is, I can penalize them...not that I have the time to monitor
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Interesting that it didn't happen in this morning's window. Makes me think the perp agrees its wrong as well. [Although it did happen after yesterday's window, as well.]

No matter backwards. I still need to know forwards.

1) If there are no definitive penalties for doing it, then we should ALL be free to do it; or

2) Declared clearly illegal and penalties on all ports of perp.

I prefer 2, but if not possible, then I can live with 1. If you need help with 2, I know I can identify what stock and when but not who without a fair bit more work. [But, I can id who if I do that work...muhaha]
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Unread 26 Nov 2017, 03:25 PM
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Orren said he would have to manually monitor to catch someone and penalize. There are so many other things going on for him I would never ask him to do that.
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Unread 26 Nov 2017, 08:20 PM
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Fair enough, baller, like I said I can live with #1. Just so long as we're clear that it's OK


For folks who don't see what I'm on about, let me explain one use for this "cheat".

Zdeno Chara is going to get about a -1.6% divi tomorrow based on his game today. He is a 200,000 share day trade.

I sold him just a few minutes ago. If I had sold all 200,000 at once, then his price would've dropped about 1/10th of a percent. But instead I sold him at 10,000 twenty different times and dropped his price 1.88%. Sure, that means that the price I got was about .94% less than I could've, but ALL of you will get the 1.88% or worse lower. [If I had a large yearly port, I could've dropped him around 3.8%, like some person has been doing].

Someone has been using this technique, for who knows how long, on multiple stocks every day since I got back. There are other ways as well to exploit this loophole, but I'm not going to make them public.
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Unread 26 Nov 2017, 10:47 PM
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I don't know it's been that long, and I'll request they stop.
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Of all the things I've lost over the years, I think I miss my metabolism most of all.
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I'm not adding this year to my age because I really didn't use it.
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Unread 30 Nov 2017, 07:36 AM
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c'mon, stop already.

The fact that you've changed to 20K per transaction doesn't make it right either. Just play the game in a professional manner, please.
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The one who had been, hasn't been of late...and I've not had the time to look into who the new one is.
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Of all the things I've lost over the years, I think I miss my metabolism most of all.
Nachos are just tacos that don't have their s_it together.
I'm not adding this year to my age because I really didn't use it.
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Unread 01 Dec 2017, 10:25 AM
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No problem, O... the cheater is on the path to eventually stop

I called him out for 10K, so he goes to 20K.
I called him out for 20K, so now he's gone to 25K.

Now that I've called him out for 25K, I imagine he'll go to 30K

We should be square by Christmas.

PS, if you want to talk to the perp, I'm positive that he reads this thread.
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Being, is this still an issue?
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