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This one's gonna cause trouble
Sad actually, a bipartisan agreement that's bound to explode in the faces of both sides.
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18 May 2007, 01:45 PM
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The article gives us very small pieces of a very large and complicated puzzle.
Here are some of the pieces of the puzzle that we know so far from the article. "The bill would allow illegal immigrants to come forward right away, but they could not get visas or begin a path to citizenship until the border security improvements and a high-tech worker identification program were put in place. After that, illegal immigrants could obtain a renewable "Z visa" that would allow them stay in the country indefinitely. After paying fees and fines totaling $5,000, they could ultimately get on track for permanent residency, which could take between eight and 13 years. Heads of households would have to return to their home countries first." There will also be some kind of guest worker program also. I am really hesitant to even really say what is in the complete bill because it has not even been given to the public to scrutinize yet. I do find it rather interesting though that it seems from the article that both sides appear to at least have some problems with it already. As the old saying goes "the devil is in the details" and we do not even know all of the detail yet.
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18 May 2007, 01:57 PM
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actually as with all legislation, it is available to the public for review.
this particular one can be found here
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18 May 2007, 03:17 PM
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Thank You hork.
I will be back when I read the whole thing. It may take me over a week though.  And no I am not going to read the whole thing. There are a couple of things that I have noticed already though. There is no summary of the bill so people can get the gist of what is going on. Now granted not every piece of legislation is going to have a summary but with such a large bill that is 790 pages long it would be kind of nice. Where is the summary of this bill? There is one other little bit of information from my link this was first read on the senate floor on May 9, 2007. Why are we first hearing about this just over a week later?
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18 May 2007, 06:18 PM
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actually it has been in the news for the past two months. there was a brief story on it the other night as part of a ried interview. but it didn't become truly newsworthy until it was given a real shot at a vote. now with it having a possibility of becoming law it requires the obligatory lobbying, commercial airtime, and personal attacks that any legislation of this type produces
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True patriotism hates injustice in its own land more than anywhere else. - Clarence Darrow Widespread intellectual and moral docility may be convenient for leaders in the short term, but it is suicidal for nations in the long term. One of the criteria for national leadership should therefore be a talent for understanding, encouraging, and making constructive use of vigorous criticism. - Carl Sagan
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26 Jun 2007, 05:43 PM
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Just putting the results of the senate cloture vote if I need it latter on.
Cloture Vote on senate floor on June 26, 2007
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28 Jun 2007, 11:50 AM
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The vote to end the debate and move forward only got forty-six ayes. The required number of ayes votes was sixty.
I will try to find the latest important vote for this piece of legislation probably tomorrow.
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28 Jun 2007, 12:25 PM
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Semi retired. On Sat. October 8, 2005 at 8:15 CDT Sidney scores his first goal on the power play with 1:28 left in the second period! On Friday June 12, 2009 at 9:46 CDT the Pittsburgh Penguins Sidney Crosby hoists the Stanley Cup for the first time! If at first you don't succeed try try again. In other words keep trying P! Super Special Sensational Sweetheart.
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30 Jun 2007, 09:04 PM
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All I can say is YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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