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End Of War In Iraq
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As a veteran that served in a foreign war, I want to say that the sacrifices I had to make would have been easier to accept had I been fighting for MY country rather than someone else's. I've spoken to dozens and dozens of vets coming back from tours (in many cases multiple tours) in Iraq and Afganistan and you'de be surprised how many feel the same way I do. That being said....in a volunteer armed forces, we as vets, are compelled to follow our commander in chief's orders and do what needs to be done.
The expense (death, injuries, $$$$) of this war is astronimical and I wonder if what we gave was worth it. I understand and appreciate how stability in this region is important to us but the big promise of cheaper and plentiful oil has yet to be realized. When the hell are we going to drill here and stop sacrificing our young men and women? The returning Vets from the war I fought in were treated like shiit. I hope and pray that these returning Vets are taken care of in a complete and respectful, careing manner befitting a person that was willing (with no coersion as in a draft) to give their life while serving. I'm aware of the jobs bill Obama is pushing but I'll believe it when I see it working.
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This oil deposit has never fully been surveyed because the oil is mixed in with shale and up until just recently (surprisingly when prices went sky high) was seen as too expensive to drill. But with new technologies and more research, that oil deposit could very well be one of the largest in the world. North Dakota will pass California as the 3rd largest oil producing state this year and they still haven't even gotten started. Getting our own oil will be less of an issue in the future...we need more refineries...but oil companies do their best to keep refineries to a minimum so that their supply is always in demand. Irony of this story is...is that right now one of the issues (besides labor, housing, infrastructure, health care, etc.) that is plaguing the oil rich counties in ND is that there is a shortage of diesel fuel to the oil field so hauling the oil out and supplies in has been hampered. |
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This was not a war.
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I would like for a person to justify any of our wars since World War II please. And thank you SayOw for recognizing one of the main reasons I say this and that being that the wounded alone will cost us $800,000,000,000. And at least some of these soldiers and this happens with every war have permanent injuries that stay with them for the rest of their lives. And no I am not anti war but we need to be fighting these wars for the right reasons. What I just said so reminds me of something that happened late in 2002 if I am remembering correctly.
We had many U.S. Senators including Mrs. Clinton at the time who said the reasons we need to go into Iraq was basically what former President George W. Bush was saying at the time. And do not forget Secretary Clinton is basically guiding our foreign policy right now. One of the main reasons to go into Iraq was because of weapons of mass destruction and the other as it turns out were very bold face lies to be quite blunt about it. I am sure some will remember Colin Powell holding the vial of anthrax at a meeting at the United Nations. So again would someone like to justify any of our wars since World War II please do so. I have one final thing to say. And don't even go to Kosovo. This is very much like Iraq is to this very day. There are several different factions in the country that are not going to like each other no matter what anyone does really. So we need to be very careful about what actions need to be taken and with the war in Iraq clearly demonstrates we need to very closely examine why these actions need to be taken in the first place.
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As a side note, I have not been out that far west in some time...there were plenty of oil wells last time, but I can only imagine the site now... |
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It was announced today that North Dakota has now become the second largest producer of oil, behind Texas.
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really....either there's more going on up there than I thought or states like Oklahoma just aren't producing what I thought they were....
Very little being produced that isn't fracked I thought...and I thought that was like wringing the last drops out of a sponge
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Word is they still can't drill fast enough out west...
Roads are all pretty much shot and need to be repaired with non-stop oil trucks running. Can't get materials in to the oil fields because of lack of supplies and fuel(?!). With the "black gold" rush, there are lots of people from all over the country coming to western ND looking for work, so much so the wage has decreased for some positions...but if you work on the actual derrick, pay is still about $35/hour... |
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Yeah, I've had people suggest I move up there but every time I look the jobs I see aren't jobs I'd want plus while wages are sometimes ridiculous so is the cost of living....and there's this perception that when the decline comes it'll be a steep one.
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Find us on for updates, including site issues. Also now on Reddit, not that I'm sure what we're doing there yet. Don't piss off old people- the older we get, the less life in prison is a deterrent. I'm pretty confident my last words will be 'well crap, that didn't work'. Of all the things I've lost over the years, I think I miss my metabolism most of all. Nachos are just tacos that don't have their s_it together. I'm not adding this year to my age because I really didn't use it. Ever notice that extra fries and exercise sound a lot alike? |
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All three of those counties are in the "oil patch" ... probably amongst the poorest counties a decade ago... |
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sounds like those oil jobs are skewing the average considerably.....teachers, for example, are still starting out around 30k..meanwhile rent has doubled or more
too bad they can't discover oil on some of the reservations....Pine Ridge has historically been virtually or at the bottom in the country for income
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They have on Fort Berthold Indian Reservation in ND. Just 2 months ago the reservation announced that they were building a new oil refinery with profits going toward the reservation. Should be online some time next year. |
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Farmers aren't very happy though...agricultural products (which North Dakota is one of the nations top producers in a whole host of categories) is sitting in full storage facilities because the trains are booked solid with oil from the Bakken. Word is, many elevators are either plumb full with product ready to get shipped out and waiting for rail cars or the elevator is plumb empty because they can't get a shipment in from rail... |