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Comments on tonights debate
for the sake of peace I've decided to move my original posts and begin a new thread. which i invite both sides of the political spectrum to offer opinions on tonight's debate.
Obviously I'll go first, mccain should be careful, he really doesn't want folks looking at his record. if they do he's going to be hurting as it clearly shows a story completely different than the persona he's trying like hell to paint for example, we just heard mr. mccain talk about how he's a champion of the environment. funny when you consider that with regard to the last 21 environment related votes, he failed to cast a single vote. hardly the mark of an environmental champion to make fact checking easier i offer these bills 09/27/2008 Consolidated Continuing Appropriations HR 2638 06/18/2008 Second Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill) HR 6124 06/17/2008 Alternative Energy Tax Incentives HR 6049 06/10/2008 Increasing Taxes on Profits, Rescinding Certain Tax Deductions, and Increasing Tax Incentives for Alternative Energy Programs for Oil Companies S 3044 NV 06/06/2008 Carbon Emissions Cap and Trade Plan S Amdt 4825 NV 05/22/2008 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill) HR 2419 NV 05/15/2008 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill) HR 2419 NV 04/10/2008 Housing Bill with Energy Tax Credit Extensions HR 3221 NV 04/10/2008 Energy Tax Credits Amendment S Amdt 4419 to S Amdt 4387 to HR 3221 NV 03/13/2008 Amendment on Certain Energy-Related Programs, Including the Development of Oil Shale and Offshore Natural Gas S Amdt 4207 to S Con Res 70 NV 03/13/2008 Amendment on Certain Energy-Related Programs, Including the Development of Oil and Natural Gas in Coastal Areas Not Covered by a Moratorium S Amdt 4329 to S Con Res 70 NV 12/18/2007 Inclusion of Consolidated Appropriations HR 2764 12/14/2007 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill) HR 2419 12/13/2007 Energy Act of 2007 HR 6 12/11/2007 Government Sponsored Farm Insurance Policies S Amdt 3711 11/08/2007 Water Resources Development Act of 2007 HR 1495 06/21/2007 Energy Act of 2007 HR 6 06/21/2007 Alternative Energy Subsidies S Amdt 1704 06/14/2007 Offshore Drilling in Virginia S Amdt 1566 06/14/2007 Clean Energy Achievement Criteria S Amdt 1538 12/21/2005 Removal of ANWR Provision from HR 2863
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07 Oct 2008, 10:28 PM
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i'll say this much for tonight's debate. at least both candidates actually discussed issues, offered some insights into their plans for the nation, and left out the cutesy, pandering crap for the most part.
it has been far more interesting and refreshing to watch than the vp debate was.
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07 Oct 2008, 10:33 PM
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Kudos to whomever suckered Obama into paying $3.80 a gallon in Tennessee for gas today. Having dropped $2.97 in Camden yesterday, it makes me feel almost elite.
It was refreshing for him to spotlight Delaware's shady banking, and loose credit policies, also. Too bad their Senator hasn't done a thing to fix it over the last 35 years. Hmmmmmmmm... WHO could that be?
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07 Oct 2008, 10:34 PM
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07 Oct 2008, 10:41 PM
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Remember, though...it's Camden. Corzine knew what he was doing when he started charging $4 to leave the city. Fortunately, living in Tacony, I get half off 
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07 Oct 2008, 10:53 PM
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i'm considering starting an exchange program with folks in the northeast. cigarettes for gasoline.
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07 Oct 2008, 11:18 PM
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Sorry  Nick
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07 Oct 2008, 11:19 PM
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The most annoying parts about tonight's [and any other] was the lack of respect of the 'pre-defined' rules that both canidates agreed on.
Of course, I saw Obama blantantly disrespect them more often than McCain, but I am sure I am biased. At least McCain would answer the question and then offer his retort to Obama about the previous topic. Nick
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07 Oct 2008, 11:24 PM
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08 Oct 2008, 12:26 AM
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Still above pre-Gustav & Ike prices here in Northern Virginia - $3.51 at the Shell station down the road. Was up in Camden, NJ a couple months ago for a concert and was amazed to see gas was a good 30 to 40 cents cheaper than around here - being full service and all. Is NJ the only state where you can't pump your own gas?
It didn't matter what the last question was, both candidates knew their answer would be their closing statement. Actually, both Obama and McCain answered the question in similar fashion - you don't know what the unexpected will be, and that's what you end up spending a lot of your time focusing on, etc.
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08 Oct 2008, 01:05 PM
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The only thing I noticed was that on the CNN poll thing at the bottom, any attacks of the candidates on each other saw their ratings plummet, and anytime McCain said "my friends" they would plummet. And both had it rise when they talked about issues and offered different solutions. Somehow I doubt any one involved (the politicians nor the media) will pick up on that hint.
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