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Unread 18 Jan 2009, 10:02 PM
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When did leading with the helmet become legal? Especially leading with the helmet to spear a guy in the head?

No way pitt should be awarded a fumble recovery and no way clark should be allowed to wear a uniform at least until mid september. That was cheap, but then it wouldn't really be steeler football any other way.
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on a lighter note, the play in question did a remarkable job of showing just how ignorant phil simms really is.
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on a lighter note, the play in question did a remarkable job of showing just how ignorant phil simms really is.


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on a lighter note, the play in question did a remarkable job of showing just how ignorant phil simms really is.
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I was at the pub so not able to really hear. What did he do now? I never liked him as an announcer anyway.
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When did leading with the helmet become legal? Especially leading with the helmet to spear a guy in the head?

No way pitt should be awarded a fumble recovery and no way clark should be allowed to wear a uniform at least until mid september. That was cheap, but then it wouldn't really be steeler football any other way.
Hey,

Do they sometimes review plays like this and fine people for this crap?
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Hey,

I was at the pub so not able to really hear. What did he do now? I never liked him as an announcer anyway.
talked about how the hit was a legal hit. cleary as da freak points out he displayed his being "destitute of knowledge or education" and also that he is "lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified"

unless i'm the ignorant one and helmet to helmet hits are now legal in the NFL.
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unless i'm the ignorant one and helmet to helmet hits are now legal in the NFL.
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I don't think you are and they are supposed to be banned.

Our bar conversation was leaning to a helmet to helmet and illegal hit. Except for those at the table next to us who were all in Steeler garb proclaiming it to be clean an legal and how the guy was a pu$$y for not getting up, after all the Steeler play got up and staggered off the field eventually.

Just one more reason for me to hate the team from Pittsburgh.
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i have no real feelings one way or the other for the team but clark should not be allowed to play in the SB and should be suspended at least four games next season for that hit
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Unread 19 Jan 2009, 05:24 PM
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playing devil's advocate here....

I'm not so sure that clark hadn't already left his feet for the tackle and the runner ducked into him to inflict his own hit. I'd like a link to a replay on that one.
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playing devil's advocate here....

I'm not so sure that clark hadn't already left his feet for the tackle and the runner ducked into him to inflict his own hit. I'd like a link to a replay on that one.

Good point Rich...I've just done a survey of 3 others who were in my living room watching the game and they all saw it the way you did.

Besides, the referees saw nothing wrong. What's with all you Steeler's bashers? So they've won more Super Bowls than any other team. Is it jealousy speaking?
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Besides, the referees saw nothing wrong. What's with all you Steeler's bashers? So they've won more Super Bowls than any other team. Is it jealousy speaking?
nope no jealousy like i said i have no feelings one way or the other about the steelers. i do however take issue with guys who lead with their helmets as clark clearly did. hard to justify the heard down and aimed at the ball carrier (well unless you're phil simms that is). the video and replay leave little doubt all you have to do is look at his head compared to his shoulders and where the ball carrier is the proof is evident.

that said i'm not claiming for one second the steelers as a team should be penalized for one moron. unless you consider a substantial suspension (which is more than merited) penalizing the steelers in which case, i guess i am.

if this were any other week clark would be sat down for no less than four games. the fact that the SB is the next game should have no bearing. not only did he lead with his helmet with obvious intent to injure but he could have no only ended mcgahee's career, but his life. no game (conference championship or otherwise) is worth condoning that.
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More devils advocate here too:

Man up, it's football. Even if he led with his helmet, so what. This isn't flag football.
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More devils advocate here too:

Man up, it's football. Even if he led with his helmet, so what. This isn't flag football.
yeah tell that to guys like Kevin Everett, Reggie Brown, and Darryl Stingley.

wusses all i'm sure (especially that putz stingley i mean come on be a man dying from a helmet to helmet hit, what a wimp)
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I feel sorry for them, I really do, but they knew the risks. Just like in hockey, at any time in the game there is the risk that a puck or a skate blade could come in and do some damage. They know that and by stepping out onto the field of play, they are accepting the risk.

Some players have gotten seriously injured in football and it wasn't because of helmet to helmet hits either. Might as well get rid of tackling too.

Oh, and Kevin Everett's hit was not helmet to helmet. Search youtube once and you'll see, helmet to shoulder. Might as well make helmet to shoulder tackles illegal too.
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Unread 20 Jan 2009, 07:54 AM
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I feel sorry for them, I really do, but they knew the risks. Just like in hockey, at any time in the game there is the risk that a puck or a skate blade could come in and do some damage. They know that and by stepping out onto the field of play, they are accepting the risk.

Some players have gotten seriously injured in football and it wasn't because of helmet to helmet hits either. Might as well get rid of tackling too.

Oh, and Kevin Everett's hit was not helmet to helmet. Search youtube once and you'll see, helmet to shoulder. Might as well make helmet to shoulder tackles illegal too.
Read the rule book. Tackling leading with the helmet on any part of the body is illegal and extremely dangerous.
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